Ldd sandbox 2011


Below are contents from the winter 2011 brainstorming on development of the Vanipedia petal. (Naturally, they could well be out of date.)


Brainstorming 1

Category structuring of the Topical Articles portion of Vanipedia

("Topical Articles" means articles summarizing and synthesizing content from Vaniquotes/Vanisource)

Proposal

Various divisions to contain subcategories (subcategories which may be further divided or refined as the article base expands). These would be similar to the "umbrella categories" in Vaniquotes, only at the highest, most general level of organization.

Rationale

The idea is that Vanipedia articles will be organized thematically, as opposed to the word-based primacy of categories in Vaniquotes.

Vaniquotes, being at the base level of research based on key word queries, works most effectively and transparently through the word-based approach. Vanipedia topical articles, on the other hand, will be by nature thematic, as the keyword research has already been covered in Vaniquotes. These will take up the task of organizing and presenting the material from Vaniquotes thematically.

This is not to say that Vaniquotes cannot have a thematic aspect or that Vanipedia cannot have a literal/word-based aspect. Rather this has to do with the overarching purposes in relation to the suitability and effectiveness of each medium for presenting the material in various ways.

User access

Layout for and entry into these top-level categories could be more 'visual' - for instance, having users click on colored boxes to enter these main categorical divisions. The keyword search function will still be available and encouraged. These categories will be designed for (1) organization of the content, and (2) as an invitation for users (and prospective contributors) to browse the content.

Possible categories

(This is brainstorming only - not presented in any particular order. The idea is for Vanipedia to reflect what is in Vaniquotes from a more descriptive 'overview' perspective.)

First level - main divisions for summary articles

  • Religion and Philosophy
    • Vaisnava philosophy/theology, other philosophies (jnana); include science (retitle to Philosophy, Science and Religion?)
  • Society and Culture
    • include: varnasrama-dharma; leadership and management; relationships; education and culture of knowledge; social issues
  • Prabhupada's Use of Language
    • include: analogies and stories categories; key terminology explained in Prabhupada's teachings; terms with variant usage; Prabhupada's expressions (Vaniquotes Reference category, no article)
  • The Practice of Krsna Consciousness
    • include; process of bhakti-yoga; mission of Krsna consciousness - perhaps retitle to The Mission and Practice of Krsna Consciousness
  • Places and Personalities
    • see Vaniquotes categories for ideas - this area is nicely developed in structure
    • would include all personalities, including Krsna, Prabhupada, Prabhupada's disciples - although some may elude articles, there can be Vanisource reference pages - can subdivide personalities as divine/demoniac, Visnu-tattva, whatever
  • Popular Topics
    • popular interest subject areas, preaching categories
  • Vedic Literature
    • references to works of literature and their authors - sastra, commentaries, other - or check to see about including non-Vedic literature references: should the category be titled simply "Literary Works" or something general like that?
  • Calendar Events and Dates
    • festivals, key dates - some could simply be Vaniquotes Reference pages (such as the dates, perhaps)
  • Vaniquotes Reference Guide

Utilize the Vanipedia petal as the central user guide and resource!

These could be categories/pages for Vanisource References to Vanipedia topical categories (the content-oriented subcategories within the main divisions). Pages could be linked to the Vanisource References category as well as to the umbrella covering the stated topic (e.g. a page for "Logics Referenced by Srila Prabhupada" could contain a link to the appropriate Vaniquotes category and be linked to both Religion and Philosophy and Vanisource Reference Guide). This could cover topics to be developed into articles, topics which are not sufficiently developed (or too limited) to warrant an article, or topics which do not lend themselves to summary treatment and are best accessed directly through Vaniquotes (e.g. material in the "Prabhupada" category series).
This could be a way to start getting visitors into Vaniquotes as well as getting some content into Vanipedia (in the form of what would amount to a type of bibliography of Vaniquotes content) in advance of articles being produced. The Vanipedia petal would then serve as the real hub, relieving pressure from our having to develop Vaniquotes beyond its function as a basic repository.

Material under these main divisions - either pages or topical, content-oriented (non-umbrella) categories - may be linked to more than one division. For instance, "Sankaracarya" could be linked under Places and Personalities, Religion and Philosophy (Religious and Philosophical Leaders subcategory), and Vedic Literature (in an Authors subcategory).

More thoughts...

Umbrella categories and subcategories

Prabhupada's Use of Language

Subcategories (also umbrella-type):

  • Sanskrit Terms
    • pages dedicated to the explanation of key terms, particularly those which are variously interpreted in general society or by other schools of thought - it could also cover illustrative Sanskrit words which Prabhupada uses frequently
    • ex: "dharma", "mudha"
  • English Terms
    • terms which are variously understood in general (materialist) society and which are defined, refined and explained by Prabhupada according to the Vedic/Vaisnava perspective, or which Prabhupada himself uses in various ways according to various contexts
    • ex: "freedom", "independence", "intelligence"
  • Analogies
  • Stories

Popular Topics (rework this title)

  • for general-interest topics (good for public outreach or preaching)
  • ex: "Killing animals", "Yoga"

Other Religions and Philosophies (retitle/refine)

  • Vaisnava perspective in relation to other teachings and traditions
  • cross-link with personalities (e.g. Jesus, Buddha, Sankaracarya)

Key Vedic (Vaisnava) Concepts

  • very broad, to be sure...needs to be broken down more
  • ex: "Process of knowledge" would be a specific page

Spiritual Practice

  • elements of bhakti-yoga; the practice of Krsna consciousness; Krsna-conscious lifestyle
    • ex: accepting a guru, chanting the holy name, regulative principles, spiritual diet

Natural Science from the Vedic Perspective

  • the Vedic version (material creation, 24 elements, etc)
  • various topics (e.g. transmigration, evolution)

Society and Culture

  • Education and the Culture of Knowledge
  • Economics
  • Varnasrama-dharma (many subtopics, cross-linked)
  • Human Relationships
  • Social Structures and Politics

Leadership and Management

  • subcategory

Prabhupada and His Disciples

  • subcategory

Great Personalities

  • from Bhagavatam, from CC, etc - separate categories
  • historical personalities (non-Vaisnava)
  • transcendental personalities
  • non-Vaisnava spiritual leaders (e.g. Jesus, Buddha, Vivekananda)
  • Acaryas; Gaudiya Vaisnava paramapara
  • Authors of spiritual literature (cross-linked)

Dates and Calendar Events

  • Festivals, Commemorations
  • Key dates

Main Sections of Vanipedia Petal

Proposals for various aspects of the Vanipedia petal.

Vanipedia is the "hub" of the rest of the petals which can fulfill a variety of functions in facilitating and linking to content in the other petals.

  • Summary Articles
    • summary studies of topics covered by source material (Vanisource) compiled in Vaniquotes
    • for undeveloped areas or as another type of page: have pages that refer users to Vaniquotes categories/pages for research on topics - maybe start in this direction; have a kind of bibliography being put together for people to begin research - this could be a start for contributors wanting to write articles or a gauge for further development of subject areas in Vaniquotes
  • Study Guides
    • already plotted out and under construction
      • basic collections of references to specific verses
      • comparisons of various translations for the same verse
  • User Guides
    • brief orientation to using the site
    • can give links to other sites for information specific to those sites(?)
  • Main Page
    • landing page for the entire project
    • use for easy access to various avenues within the project
      • should be visually attractive and simple - spare with text, good use of space (e.g.lotus petal icon to navigate to other petals - same principle could apply to navigation within the Vanipedia petal)
  • Lists or tables of basic information
    • calendars/dates, timelines, the Paramapara, etc
    • the Bhagavatam Family Tree could go in the Vanipedia petal
  • Communications and Feedback
  • Participation
    • contribution, donation
  • Content Development Resources
    • style guides, technical help, etc

Orientation

  1. source base is Vaniquotes
  2. research, mapping and compiling of content is Vaniquotes
  3. together these form the basis for resources and articles in Vanipedia


Brainstorming 2

This page provides a technical model for developing topical articles from source material in Vaniquotes and Vanisource. It gives an example of how an article may be structured using Wiki code and formatting.

The text of this article serves mainly as sample filler. It does give further explanation of the techniques being shown, but it is not necessary that you read all the text to understand how the page is being produced.

To see the coding behind any part of this sample, click into the Edit tab. This is the fastest, most intuitive way to learn how to make pages.

Creating a new page

To create a new page:

  • Type your page title into the "search" box on the left-side menu. Click Go.
  • On the Search Results page, click on either
    • the page title, shown in bold red font near the top, or
    • "create this page", shown in red under the heading "No page title matches".
  • This will take you to a Create tab, where you can begin to make your page.

The sections below outline the standard features of a Vanipedia page.

Category linking

Each article must be linked to at least one category within the Vanipedia petal. To see the coding used for category links, click into Edit mode.

Type the category links at the top of the screen. They will automatically format to the bottom of the page. (Technically, the category links can be place anywhere; but for ease of review and revision, we like to place them at the top.)

Article Sections

Lead Section

This first section is the lead section. It is placed under the title and does not include a header. It should serve to introduce and to summarize the content of the article. Lead sections typically range from one to four paragraphs in length.

Sections with headers

Subsequent sections will be used to organize the various points, sub-points and sub-topics of the article. These will be preceded by section headers and will be place below the table of contents (TOC). The TOC will automatically be created as soon as the headers are created.

Formatting section headers

If you click into the Edit tab, you can see how section headers are coded hierarchically. The coding covers both the size of the font and the level of the section (the way it appears in the TOC).

The more "=" characters are used, the smaller the font will be. In Wikipedia, the section headers start with a second-level font size (==Heading==). However, for aesthetic reasons, you may prefer to start with the third-level font size.

As you break your sections further into subsections, you will use progressively more "=" characters to show the successive levels in the TOC. To remain at the same level, or to go to a higher level, use the same number of "=" that appear in the level at which you would like your section to appear in the TOC.

Line spacing

To start a new paragraph, you will need to skip a line (hit Enter twice). Skipping more lines between paragraphs will show more line space between text in View mode (under the Page tab), just as you typed it in Edit mode.

Spacing under section headers is set automatically. For ease of reading in edit mode, however, you might want to skip a line after the headers, as we have done in this section (see how it looks in Edit mode). It does not matter how much space you leave when you type in the headers; it will always show proper spacing in View mode.

Other formatting and layout options

Text formatting such as bolding, italics, and underlining may be included in your text. You may also do combinations, such as bolding and italics.

You can also indent text.

Here is an example of how it works
and how it works even further.

For lists, you can make a bullet-point list like the one in the section "Creating a page" above. Or you can do numbered lists. You can also make tables to present your material.

Our page (page title) lists useful links to Wikipedia help pages, where you can see and the various options for layout and formatting and learn how to code for them.

"See also" and other notes

For some articles, it might be useful to include notes such as "See also..." These will be placed to appear between the page title and the lead section. An example is included in this page.


Brainstorming 3

This page is dedicated to further refinement of the category/classification scheme for articles.

There are many 'second thoughts' at work here.

Main divisions

Content categories

These are the main content categories to appear in a big, simplified way 'up front'. The purpose is to:

  1. map content
  2. facilitate browsing

The following is an overview of the first level of division (7 categories):

  • 1. Philosophy, Science and Religion
    • Covers jnana and anything approached from a philosophical perspective
    • Includes Vaisnavism and Vaisnava perspective on 'isms' and teachings of other traditions
  • 2. Society and Culture
    • Covers economics, social organization (including leadership), cultural practices, human relationships
    • Includes environmental issues of all types (natural environment as part of economics, as with agriculture; social environment encompassing human relationships and organization of society)

Note: topics dealing with psychology or education would be classified under one or the other of the above, depending on the perspective from which they are primarily approached. Alternately, for 'bridge' topics, articles could be classified under more than one division.

For education:
  • "Education of children" - Society and Culture, vs. "Process of Knowledge" - Philosophy, Science and Religion
For psychology:
  • "Modes of material nature" in the broad sense is primarily Philosophy, Science and Religion.
  • "Human character and the modes of material nature" could also be placed under Philosophy, Science and Religion (as social science), but
  • "Varna and the modes of material nature" would fall under Society and Culture - or, alternately, under both divisions (as it may be seen as a bridge topic).
  • 3. Mission and Practice of Krsna Consciousness
    • Process and practice of bhakti-yoga
      • e.g. chanting the holy name, regulative principles, Deity worship, "real yoga"
      • individual topics under "bhakti-yoga" might conceivably overlap into Philosophy, Science and Religion
    • Mission of the KC movement
      • includes areas such as sankirtan, ISKCON (as an institution)
  • 4. Prabhupada's Use of Language
    • This division could include distinct categories for the following:
      • Analogies
        • approached from the literal standpoint rather than from the purport ("Bird in a cage" or "Analogy of the bird in a cage" as opposed to a title with "body and soul")
      • Stories
        • also literal titles ("Alexander and the thief", or "Story of Alexander and the thief")
      • Sanskrit Terms ("Dharma")
      • English Terms ("Intelligence", or "What is intelligence")
      • Prabhupada's Expressions
  • 5. Literary Works, References and Study Guides
    • Page titles for individual literary works (e.g. "Sariraka-bhasya")
      • subdivide into Vaisnava and Other Traditions, maybe others, such as religious vs. secular (?)
      • authors will be cross-referenced through internal links - no category linking to personalities will be necessary
      • (alternately, the author's name could be included in the page title, but practically this would not be necessary)
    • Subcategory/sections for
      • reference pages in Vaniquotes (Puranas cited in CC, etc.)
      • study guides (per individual verse, titled accordingly)
  • 6. Places and Personalities
    • (with subdivisions)
  • 7. Calendar Events
    • Historical dates, Vaisnava calendar observances, festivals and commemorations
    • Cross-referencing can be made via internal links - e.g. "23rd Phalguna 1407 Sakabda (18th Feb 1486)" would reference to Personalities and Places via links in the words "Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu" and "Navadvipa" found in the lead section.


The above-mentioned 7 divisions would encompass (map) the content of the articles.

Additional tags (or categories) might be added for areas that are approached from multiple perspectives. ("Education" is one example, as seen above) These would not be linked in a hierarchical structure underneath any of the main divisions, but maybe put under another category for special interest areas (something like a "popular topics" kind of thing for quick reference or browsing). If this were done, it could even include topic areas that do fall under only one of the content divisions - "Leadership", for instance, could be included here, even if it were categorized in the main content divisions under Society and Culture only.

Facilitation divisions

The following categories could be added to assist users in browsing the site:

  • Popular Topics
    • leads to articles or topic areas suitable for popular preaching/outreach, public lectures, seminars, etc.
  • Using Vanipedia
    • Brief orientation and simple guides to help users get started and get the most out of their experience - very practical and straightforward
    • Include: how to do a targeted search (standard keyword search); pointers to the verse study guides and references pages

Also - provide a brief, visually friendly up-front summary of what can currently be found in Vanipedia. This could possibly be accomplished within the layout for the content category entry point on the front page.

Various types of pages

Categories could be used to organize and lead to different type of pages. These might include:

  • Summary articles
    • Encyclopedic articles summarizing content researched in Vaniquotes (represents the first level of presentation above the basic collection of material found in Vaniquotes)
  • Reference pages
    • Lists, tables, or other resources
    • References to Vaniquotes pages
  • Other types of articles?
    • In addition to encyclopedic-style summaries of material found in Vaniquotes/Vanisource - categories can be made for these to keep them separate from summary articles
  • 'Help' pages - guides, orientation, how-to's, 'contact us', etc.

Page development

Pages may be developed prior to articles actually being written.

A topic or prospective page title could be established as a page. The content could simply be links to Vaniquotes categories/pages that address the topic. Layout would be structured accordingly - in other words, there would be a template or model to use for this type of page (with some heading or explanation included, as opposed to just copying links on to a blank space).

This would be similar to a "stub" in Wikipedia. The purpose would be to:

  • invite users to consult Vaniquotes and explore the material already present there;
  • have some material present, showing users what is actually available at the moment;
  • provide a basis for further research and inspire prospective article writers (or compilers) to develop material in Vaniquotes and add more links to the list, with the goal of building a sufficient body of source references to support an article.

These would be essentially "Vaniquotes References" pages at this point.

Other Vaniquotes Reference pages could also be created for material in Vaniquotes which is more or less complete as it stands in Vaniquotes.


Brainstorming 4

This is a brainstorming page only!

Category Breakdown (Vanipedia Articles)

Seven to nine main categories can be used for the first level of organization. Subcategories of these can be created to further specify content divisions.

At some level, the hierarchical system should stop - before getting too specific or too complicated to aid users in either browsing or locating a specific topic. Additional aid can be added in the form of divisions which are set up outside the hierarchical system...? Something that can function more as an index of topic areas than as a table of contents...something that can stand outside the six divisions and their subdivisions and simply be added, so that it could be easily applied to several topics without complicating or cluttering the main hierarchy...

Main Categories:

  • Philosophy, Science and Religion
    • Philosophy and Theology
      • Vaisnava Concepts
        • Vedic process of knowledge; Guru; three aspects of God realization; modes of material nature; spirit and matter; many more
      • Other Schools of Thought - Mayavada, Christianity, etc; other non-Vaisnava views presented in comparison
    • Natural Science
      • examples: material creation; evolution; transmigration of the soul
    • Social Science
      • psychology (nature of the mind; character qualities and the modes of nature)
      • sociology, economics and politics

Subcategories may be linked to more than one higher category - e.g. "transmigration" as both "Vaisnava Philosophy and Theology" and "Natural Science"; "Social Science" topics would cross-link with some part of "Society and Culture"

Comparative religion/philosophical topics may be cross-linked to the respective personalities involved (Sankaracarya, Jesus, etc) and corresponding literary works (Sariraka-bhasya, Bible, etc)


  • Society and Culture
    • Economics and Social Structure
      • Economic Development
      • Divisions of Society
        • Work and Occupation
        • Varnasrama-dharma
    • Leadership and Management
      • Leadership
      • Law, Public Defense and Protection
      • Administration and Management
      • Politics and Government
    • Education
    • Human Nature and Human Relations
      • Relationships: marriage; children and family life; sex life
      • Human Character and Psychology (the mind; desire, sense gratification, character qualities, etc) - cross-link with Philosophy, Science and Religion
    • Animals, Nature and the Environment
      • Agriculture
    • Diet and Health
      • Vegetarianism

Again, topics - pages or subcategories - may be cross-linked at any level. For instance, "Agriculture" could also go under "Economics and Social Structure"; "Vegetarianism" could go under "Animals, Nature and the Environment", "Diet and Health", and "Philosophy, Science and Religion".


  • Mission and Practice of Krsna Consciousness
    • Bhakti-yoga
      • Various points of practice: sadhana-sanga-seva, four regulative principles, occupation and spiritual life, etc
    • Chanting the Holy Name
    • Deity Worship
    • Preaching
    • Krsna Consciousness Movement
      • Mission
        • topics linking to Vaisnava theology and tradition
        • purpose, practical action and activities of the KC movement: sankirtan, distribution of books and prasadam, public lecture programs, individual sadhana, etc.
      • ISKCON and its Facilities (temples and centers; GBC; stated aims of the organization)
      • parampara, authorization, history, etc.

More cross-linking: For instance, "Caitanya Mahaprabhu" and "Bhaktivinoda Thakura" could be linked to this category in addition to "Places and Personalities"


  • Prabhupada's Use of Language
    • Analogies
    • Stories
    • Sanskrit Terminology
    • Bengali Terminology
    • English Terminology
    • Prabhupada's Expressions


  • Literary Works
    • Scriptures (Vedic tradition and outside), works of the Vaisnava poets and acaryas, plus any non-spiritual literature, insofar as it is present - e.g., Stillson Judah's book)
    • Cross-link with authors and philosophical schools
  • Non-scriptural works (e.g. Hitopadesa, Canyaka Pandita's slokas)


  • Places and Personalities
    • Places
      • Holy Places
      • Geographical Places (Sites on Earth)
        • Ancient Cities, Districts or Regions
        • Modern Cities, Districts (Countries) or Regions
        • Mountains, Rivers and Other Natural Sites
      • Cosmic Places (Sites Beyond Earth)
        • Higher Planets
        • Lower Planets
        • Spiritual Sky
        • Mountains, Rivers and Other Natural Sites
    • Personalities
      • Vaisnava Acaryas
        • Parampara
      • Spiritual Leaders from Other Traditions
      • Historical Personalities and Celebrities
      • Noted Authors
      • Great Vedic Personalities
        • Personalities from Srimad-Bhagavatam
        • Personalities from Caitanya-caritamrta
      • Divine Personalities
        • The Supreme Lord
        • Plenary Expansions of the Supreme Lord (Visnu-tattva)
        • Avataras and Incarnations
        • Siva-tattva and Sakti-tattva
        • Eternal Associates of the Lord
      • Saintly Persons / Other Great Devotees of the Lord
      • Demonic Personalities

Note: The Places division presents a good example of how it could be better to organize material from two perspectives (categories and tags) rather then through a strictly hierarchical breakdown. For instance: "Cities" or "Mountains, Rivers..." could be applied to either the Geographical or Cosmological places from outside the hierarchical structure, thereby eliminating the need to create specific subcategory for both "Geographical Cities, etc" and "Cosmological Cities, etc".

  • Calendar Events
    • Historical Dates
    • Vaisnava Calendar Observances
    • Festivals and Events


The following divisions could be supplemental to the indexing categories given above:

  • Popular Topics
    • Topics of broad interest (to both devotees and non-devotees); useful for outreach, seminars, informal education and study, etc. - e.g. "Killing animals", "What is religion", "Reincarnation: transmigration of the soul", "Successful life", "Happiness"


  • Vaniquotes Reference Guide

This category (or division) could be used as an orientation, invitation, and resource to material developed in Vaniquotes which is not developed in Vanipedia. Examples would include:

  • lists of resources (Vaniquotes/Vanisource reference links) for articles not yet written
  • reference links for topics which are not suited for further development in Vanipedia (i.e. they stand complete on their own as presented in Vaniquotes) - example: the "Prabhupada" series of subtopics, for which an article would not be helpful or appropriate

Not sure at this point how to work these into the structure...they should facilitate bringing users into the content (without having to go through too many hoops to get there).

Guide/Format for Summary Articles

This would apply to Vaniquotes "encyclopedic" articles serving as the first level of development beyond the collection of source material in Vaniquotes.

General layout

Follow the model set by Wikipedia: encyclopedic articles

  • Essentially conservative approach
    • Other types of writing - personal essay contributions, ‘cases’ to be prosecuted, personal perspectives, specialized preaching applications, etc. - can go in a separate section
  • Source base will be all material present in Vanisource
  • Summary articles will be straightforward presentations of what Prabhupada said and wrote as per evidence in VedaBase (Vanisource) – no outside references for these articles
  • NPOV (neutral point of view) will mean that the writer of the article will analyze, organize and summarize what Prabhupada said; tone will be more or less journalistic, not argumentative

Structure

  • Lead section
  • Breakout paragraphs (each with heading)
    • Include inter-wiki links to other articles
      • Useful to plot development of related topics
      • Subtopics to be treated in more detail or depth
    • If article is not yet written, use these pages to list links to Vaniquotes categories/pages for beginning research
    • Footnotes will reference Vanisource (as the more primary and contextually complete source), not Vaniquotes
  • Vaniquotes References
    • Categories and pages where compilations may be found for further study
  • Footnotes
    • Will reference Vanisource
  • Other source notes
    • Specific sections, texts, etc that are particularly helpful in connection with the topic
  • Related articles (in Vanipedia/VaniWiki) – links listed with brief notes
    • Provision for a "see also" feature, perhaps, and/or other notes leading to related pages, categories, or topical areas
  • Categories (Vanipedia category linking or tags)


Brainstorming 5

This page is for development of article content

Killing Animals

Retitle?

Summary/intro points

  • Generally and ultimately opposed to animal-killing in society
    • Breaking the law of nature; breaking the law of God (as opposed to man-made laws)
      • Killing an animal is the same as killing a man or any other living being
        • All beings equal in the eyes of the Father
      • Animals are not meant for human consumption as food
        • Even concessions for eating animals involve specific procedures and may still incur reaction
        • Related topic: Vegetarianism
    • Abhorrent even from a non-theistic, non-Vedic perspective
      • God Himself incarnated (Buddha) to stop animal sacrifice abuse in the name of the Vedas
      • Related topics: Ahimsa, Lord Buddha
    • Concessions and exceptions
      • Animal sacrifices
        • Related topics: Vedic Sacrifice, Animal Sacrifice
        • Lower form of religion
          • Not found in higher paths, like Vaisnavism
          • Concession to persons in lower modes (ignorance, specifically)
        • Not the same as animal slaughter (rejuvenation, proving of Vedic mantras)
        • Rites of animal sacrifice
          • Not recommended ultimately (by the Lord Himself)
          • Forbidden in Age of Kali
            • Only qualified brahmanas can perform these successfully
          • Offerings to Goddess Durga (see point above; practice is not always bona fide, plus it can’t actually be that Durga accepts it)
      • Ksatriya class is permitted to hunt
        • Specific purpose is to practice the killing art for defense of the citizens
      • Self-defense (example of tiger attack)
      • Prescribed animals may be sacrificed for food
        • Cow-killing is never to be permitted
        • Related topic: Killing Cows
    • Detrimental to spiritual life
      • “killer of animals or of self” (jiva-himsa)
      • other arguments, as in Puranjana allegory?
  • Perspective on spiritual and moral teachings from other traditions
    • Western
      • Christianity (Judeo-Christian)
      • Islam (Koran) – Lord Caitanya’s discussion with Chand Kazi
    • Other followers of Vedic tradition
      • Present-day sannyasis
      • Durga sacrifices
  • Perspective on animal-killing in modern society
    • Slaughterhouse culture
    • Connections with additional problems of society
      • War (mass slaughter)- frequently cited connection
      • Abuse or illicit connection with women (“hunters”)
      • Killing of children (abortion)
      • Intoxication (liquor and meat)